Police called in to investigate criminal activity by No Campaign.

Quick update: Following referral to the Crown Office and Prosecutor Fiscal for advice on whither postal vote sampling prior to the count is a crime, it has been agreed that it is and the police are investigating with Wee Ruth having been interviewed.

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This folks is a big deal, a bloody big deal. Most of you won’t be aware of the ins and outs of election law but it looks as if Ruth Davidson let the cat out of the bag on illegal vote disclosure.

Why is it I hear you all say “wait Davie, go back, illegal vote disclosure, what in seven hells is that?” Basically, when postal votes are opened is is illegal to try to find out how a person voted and it is illegal to tell anyone about any vote that you did accidentally see.

First of all let me explain what should have happened, then what Ruth Davidson admitted the No campaign were up and finally how this criminal activity was used to change the result of the referendum.

It all comes down to postal votes. If you postal voted like me this is what you did to vote:
1) You filled in your ballot slip and put it in a pocket on the main letter which you stuck down to make the inner envelope.
2) You wrote your date of birth and signed the top half of the letter i.e. the bit with your name and address on it.
3) You put the whole thing in an outer envelope and stuck it in the post.

This is what happened when your postal vote reached the election centre.

1) The outer envelope was opened by an election official.
2) Your name, date of birth and signature was checked against your voter registration form to confirm that it was you who voted, again by an election official.
3) The inner envelope with your ballot in it was opened and your ballot placed face down. The reference number on the back of the ballot was checked against the reference number on the main piece of paper to check that this was indeed your ballot, again by an election official.
4) The ballots are placed into locked plastic bins without being looked at, to be counted on the evening of the vote after the polls close.

This process got repeated several times in each voting region in the run up to voting day as postal votes arrive, every day or so.

Now during this whole process counting agents from Yes and No are allowed to stand and watch what is going on. This is to make sure that no fake postal votes are snuck in. They are allowed to watch as the names and signatures are checked against the voter registration, when the reference numbers on the back of the ballots are checked and finally to see that the ballots are placed in the locked plastic bins.

From this point forward the locked postal vote bins from each opening of postal votes is stored until the polls close and the count begins. At this time the bins are opened. At this time each locked bin from an opening of a postal vote as well as each bin from a polling station is opened at the count. Each bin is opened and the ballots poured out onto a table. The ballots are thing unfolded and piled faceup ready to be sorted into YES and NO. Each ballot bin is done separately.

This is when a process is called “Ballot Sampling” is allowed and is 100% legal. What happens is that as the election agent when empties the votes out an offical observer from each group was allowed to watch. Indeed there were offical count observers from each campaign watching every ballot box be opened. As the ballots are sorted face up and the total number from each ballot bin is counted by the election agent, an offical observer can by simply counting a few hundred ballots as they whizz past assert how many YES and how many NO and then work out the %YES and %NO from each polling station and postal vote opening before they are officially counted. Add them all up, multiple by the total number of votes per bin and divide by the number of bins and you get the result before the offical count. It is not the exact final number, but it is pretty good, say within 1%.

This Ballot Sampling is competely legal if done by an offical observer after the poll has closed. This is allowed because there is no way of changing the result of the poll. However to do this during the opening of the postal votes is completely illegal, indeed it is a specific crime in the referendum act. What Ruth Davidson admitted on live TV was that Better Together illegally sampled ballots during the postal vote opening.

This is what they appear to have done:
Better Together official counting observer, we will call him “Robert” watched election official “Elizabeth” open 1000 postal ballots at an offical opening as she checked the names and the reference numbers and then placed them in the locked bin. He should be only checking that no extra votes got snuck in but what Robert actually was doing was counting which way each person voted when by chance the ballot paper happened to come out of the inner envelope face up. Say he saw 100 of the ballots as they were taken out and placed in the bin. Of the 100 he saw 35 were YES and 65 were NO. So he knows that about 65% of postal votes opened on that day were NO. He then told Better Together Officals the tallies he had counted, who added up all the numbers across the Nation for each day that postal votes were opened. This data was then pasted up to the leaders of Better Togther including Ruth Davidson.

Now this finding out how people postal voted and telling other people is illegal, it is specifically a crime under the Independence referendum Act. Here is the section:

Requirement of secrecy

7 Every person attending the proceedings in connection with the issue or the receipt of ballot papers for persons voting by post in the referendum must maintain and aid in maintaining the secrecy of voting in the referendum and must not—

(d)attempt to ascertain at the proceedings in connection with the receipt of the ballot papers the outcome for which any vote is given in any particular ballot paper or communicate any information with respect thereto obtained at those proceedings.

The criminal activity that Ruth Davidson appears to have admitted to on live TV is criminal due to it being possible to use the information they found out during the postal vote opening to effect the outcome of the vote. Let me explain how they did this.

A crucial point in any vote is when the voter is actually standing with pencil in hand about to make their vote. They might tell polling agencies that they will vote YES or vote NO but when it comes to the point they need to think “ohh God it is just too scary I will vote No” or will they needed to think “I know it is uncertain but I want change, I’m voting YES”. This polling booth switching is crucial especially in close run votes like this one. What the illegal activity allowed Better togther to do is to compare a postal voting intention poll by a company such as YOUGOV to the actual postal voting every day from the start of postal voting to the final voting day. This would tell them what people were doing in the supposed sanctity of the pooling booth, when they made their apparently secret ballot.

For example if their YOUGOV poll results were that 25% of postal voters on a given day said they were going to vote YES but their criminal Ballot Sampling told them that 35% of them actually voted YES, they knew that in the sanctity of the voting booth 10% of people would have changed their vote from NO to YES. With polls showing that YES was at about 42% they knew 3 weeks before the vote that they would lose.

It appears that it was this illegal postal Ballot sampling that lead to the DevoMax vow, it had nothing to do with the single 51% YES poll that came out, it was just a convenient excuse to change the nature of the vote from Status Quo v Independence to DevoMax v Independence. By making the NO vote more appealing to the undecided voters and the 10% of polling booth switchers they were able to win the final vote.

Let’s not mince our words here, if Ruth Davidson’s confession is true, this vote needs to be re-run and a large number of Better Together officials jailed.

42 thoughts on “Police called in to investigate criminal activity by No Campaign.

  1. Just a technicality but You missed out the verifiation stage at the count. As each box is opened the amount of votes within is counted and put into bundles of 100. The number counted MUST agree with that on the ballot account for that box. Only then are votes released for sorting into Yes and No. They can, however, as you state, be tallied from behind the counting tables by the observers as soon as the boxes are opened

    • Correct. Sampling is done at the verification stage (counting how many ballot papers are in each box). It gives you an early idea of the way things are going. Knowing how the votes went in each polling district can also also useful in the future.

      As a note, at Euro elections verification takes place on the Thursday night and ballot papers are unfolded face down. The sorting doesn’t happen until the Sunday after the rest of Europe has finished voting. It shouldn’t really be possible to do any sampling with this or postal votes and I wonder how it’s done.

      • Paddy not all postal ballots are folded, some are unfolded. The ones that come out of the envelope face up can be seen. Given that the whole country was acting like one great constituency then you just need to pull together all the ones that came out unfolded and face up.

      • Not all papers are folded, some are placed in unfolded and face up, so the person watching can easily see which way the postal vote was cast. A sample of 1000 across Scotland on each opening day would give very clear results of actual voting. Compare this to the demographic based polls for the entire postal voter group and if the ballot sample is higher for one outcome that expected then you know which way people are swinging when they actually put pencil to paper.

    • I suspect that, having had a look at the postal votes, BT didn’t like what they saw (i.e. too many Yes votes) whereupon British Intelligence put into action the plan to substitute ballot boxes of pre-prepared No vote ‘ballot papers’ for the genuine boxes between polling stations and counting stations. There seems to have been opportunity for this to have happened (see http://www.sott.net/article/286355-Special-Report-Scottish-Referendum-Rigged-The-How-and-the-Why).

      • yes, this is what i have suspected, I also suspect that the postal votes came out showing a large yes majority, and hence the ‘vow’ and all parties descending on Scotland, this making the public think the parties made us change our minds when in fact it was a cover to fraudulently fix the vote with blank ballot papers substituted with the real numbered papers en route to counting

  2. Tory’s and lab have been doing this for years In the village of Fallin The lab council included 600 votes from another near by village Cowie when they knew the SNP were going to win Fallin The Tory & Lab Council voted it thru in time for the election They gained this information thru Polls in the villages not Postal votes but same idea

  3. there was no barcode on my slip im east Dunbartonshire,,,also in George square I spoke to a chap who hopefully will get back to me,that was from moodiesburn who said his polling station had pens not pencils????

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  5. If the No campaign knew they were ahead and passed this on, the Westminster Vow was a lie from the start and as stated only made to sway the undecided. The fact that any policy change after the postal vote was not allowed under the Edinburgh agreement was totally ignored. A re run must be called.

  6. “Vote disclosure” refers to identifying an individual and telling people how that person voted. It’s all about the anonymity of the vote, and nothing to do with tallies or counts. You even explained it yourself in your second paragraph. Also the part of the regulations you quote is all about identifying an individual’s vote, which is entirely illegal and entirely not what Ruth Davidson described.

    Please show us the regulations covering tallies during the postal vote. If I was designing a postal voting system, I would be counting the votes, or samples of them, as they are received, and then using these numbers to check there had been no shenanigans when the postal votes are actually counted in the ballot. I would also either keep these numbers secret until the close of voting, or perhaps publish them for everyone to see, there are arguments both ways. But I didn’t design the system, so what are the actual regulations about tallies?

    • Dave I just quoted the regulation. It make no reference to matching a person to their ballot but rather communicating any information about any particular ballot to anyone before the polls close, and about making an attempt to see how any particular ballot was cast. Ruth said herself in the clip that they are not allowed to say until the polls have been closed, but what the regulation actually says is telling anyone including herself before the polls have closed.

      • I’m not saying there isn’t a question to be answered and I’m watching this issue with interest. But the regulation you quote says “in any particular ballot paper” and as I said, it refers to identifying a voter, it doesn’t refer to a tally of votes, which is what we’re talking about here. Can you supply a link to the regulations so I can have a gander? I’m not trying to be an internet lawyer and get Davidson off on a technicality, I just want to see what the applicable regulations are, and I think 7 d) doesn’t cover this.

      • You can’t tally votes unless you count the particular ballot that comes out of a particular envelope as it comes out and do it repeatedly to get a tally. It’s the only time before the count that postal votes can be seen.

      • Postal voting statements: additional personal identifier verification

        39(1)A counting officer may on any occasion on which a postal voters box is opened in accordance with paragraph 34 undertake verification of the personal identifiers on any postal voting statement that has on a prior occasion been placed in the receptacle for postal voting statements.

        (2)Where a counting officer undertakes additional verification of personal identifiers, the officer must—

        (a)remove as many postal voting statements from the receptacle for postal voting statements as the officer wishes to subject to additional verification, and

        (b)compare the date of birth and the signature on each such postal voting statement against the date of birth and the signature contained in the personal identifiers record relating to the person to whom the postal ballot paper was addressed.

        (3)Where the counting officer is no longer satisfied that the postal voting statement has been duly completed, the officer must mark the statement “rejected” and, before placing the postal voting statement in the receptacle for rejected votes (verification procedure), must—

        (a)show it to the postal ballot agents and permit them to view the entries in the personal identifiers record which relate to the person to whom the postal ballot paper was addressed, and, if any agent objects to the counting officer’s decision, add the words “rejection objected to”,

        (b)open any postal ballot box and retrieve the ballot paper corresponding to the ballot paper number on the postal voting statement,

        (c)show the ballot paper number on the retrieved ballot paper to the agents, and

        (d)attach the ballot paper to the postal voting statement.

        (4)Following the removal of a postal ballot paper from a postal ballot box the counting officer must lock and reseal the postal ballot box in the presence of the postal ballot agents.

        (5)Whilst retrieving a ballot paper in accordance with sub-paragraph (3), the counting officer and the counting officer’s staff—

        (a)must keep the ballot papers face downwards and take proper precautions for preventing any person from seeing the votes made on the ballot papers, and

        (b)must not look at the corresponding number list used at the issue of postal ballot papers.

  7. Everyone needs to watch the video of Ruth Davidson. http://youtu.be/DcL69gUtPb0

    Was it just BT agents at these ‘sample openings’?
    Is a ‘sample opening’ different from the ‘official legal procedure’ for the opening of postal votes?
    Who were the ‘people’ BT had at these ‘sample openings’ that reported the ‘tally’ information to BT?
    Who were the official postal ‘counters’ who allowed the papers to be visually seen and tallied’?

  8. (Continuing our thread here because replies aren’t possible in the deeper thread above).

    The secrecy regulations for the referendum are available here – http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/164966/ris-secrecy-requirements.pdf

    The postal ballot section is all about identifying specific voters, it says nothing about tallies.

    However, the referendum regulations are based on the local election regulations, which do mention tallies (“forecast or estimate as to the result”), to wit:

    “(7) No person may publish before the close of the poll—
    (a) any statement relating to the way in which voters have voted in the poll where that statement is (or might reasonably be taken to be) based on information given by voters after they have voted; or
    (b) any forecast or estimate as to the result of the election which is (or might reasonably be taken to be) based on information so given.”

    (Document here – http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/word_doc/0003/141870/Secrecy-requirements-the-poll-SLG.doc)

    To my reading, this seems to imply that the existence of such forecasts or estimates is not illegal, but “publishing” them certainly is. That’s why Davidson said she couldn’t talk specifics until after the poll closed.

    • It was the fact that the No campaign knew what the sampling results were prior to the voting deadline. That meant that the sampling and the tallies had been discussed prior to the start of counting – that in itself is illegal.

      • I know that’s the issue, I just haven’t seen the actual regulations that say it’s illegal. In my last post I quoted the regulations that show it’s illegal to publish such information, but “publish” is specifically defined in the same regulations as placing information in the public domain before the close of the poll, and that didn’t happen. That implies, in the absence of any other specific regulations on sampling and tallies, that 1) it’s not illegal to have such information, and 2) it’s not illegal to discuss it in private.

        The thing that absolutely IS illegal to even discuss in private is anything to do with identifying an individual and how he/she voted. Alister (above) posted regulations (it would be useful to know from where) about additional verification of votes. That’s useful, but again, it’s all about identifying individual voters. It’s specifically about a situation where both the ballot papers and the voting statements are both being examined, and the reason the ballots are to be kept face down is to prevent anyone from identifying any specific voter’s choice.

        Again, I do think there’s something to be answered here and I want to know what happened. But no-one has yet shown me the actual regulation that is supposed to have been broken. I’ve searched myself, but I haven’t been able to find anything either allowing or proscribing sampling of the postal ballots before the official count.

  9. Here’s my problem with this allegation:

    On the one hand, if it’s true: Better Together had a large number of election agents (it wouldn’t do them much good if it wasn’t a large number) who all had a trained, accurate memory to watch large numbers of postal ballots being counted, and to keep note *in their minds alone* of which ballots are coming out Yes and which ones No. (Most ballots come out face down, a few face-up and those could in principle be counted, but communicating that info to anyone is against the law.) Not only can these agents count the numbers, they also remember which bins the numbers are coming from (since it wouldn’t do Better Together much good if they didn’t have this kind of data). This kind of memory feat is absolutely within human capacity – it would take training or you’d need to be naturally gifted, but it’s do-able. The only problem is: how did BT recruit and train these memory mavens to carry out this kind of illegal activity without it ever coming to the attention of anyone who is in principle against it? It would be a country-wide conspiracy.

    On the other hand, if it’s not true: Ruth Davidson said something stupid, muddling the legal sampling that both sides were allowed to do on the postal ballots after the polls closed, with the counting of ballots (but not votes) as the ballots are received.

    So: country-wide conspiracy of trained observers in memorising polling data, or: Tory says something stupid.

    I agree the police have to investigate when an allegation like this is made – and if there is a country-wide conspiracy there will certainly be evidence of it – but I think it’s much more likely that Ruth Davidson said something stupid.

  10. Is there an official stand on how the papers at the voting station are to go into the black box? I was outside a polling station doing my bit and they were definitely told not to fold the papers whereas the polling station I actually voted at told me quite clearly to fold mine? Does this make any difference, why some boxes coming in would be folded and others not?

  11. Dave : please check out Legislation.gov.uk website for the full details on Postal voting is contained in the following:

    Scottish Independence Referendum Act 2013

    2013 asp 14

    The Bill for this Act of the Scottish Parliament was passed by the Parliament on 14 November 2013 and received Royal Assent on 17th December 2013

    An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, in accordance with paragraph 5A of Part 1 of Schedule 5 to the Scotland Act 1998, for the holding of a referendum in Scotland on a question about the independence of Scotland.

    Cheers

    Magpie

  12. In all seriousness, if this did happen and the votes were counted from a small sample (the number of votes that weren’t folded compared with the ones that were would be very small considering there were clear instructions in the envelope), how can this really give a true indication of voting behaviour?

    There were circa 800,000 postal votes, and you’re mentioning figures of 1,000. That’s is not an adequate sample size to predict total outcome in any study.

    Also, was Ms Davidson’s comment not broadcast at around 21:30 on polling night anyway, therefore leaving half an hour to “sway” any undecideds?

  13. One extra point Ruth Davidson made is that they were able to see and tally the details of the voter PLUS the way that voter had voted, otherwise she wouldn’t have been able to say that it was the older folk who were voting No. She may not have been talking in public about the way the postal vote was going but she and others had obviously been made aware of those tallies in the weeks since postal ballots were in progress.

    • The sample postal vote openings, which were attended by agents from both campaigns ahead of polling day, were held to confirm personal identifiers – the date of birth and signature – on the postal ballots matched those held on official records.

      The ballot papers are supposed to be kept face down when postal voting packs are opened so postal ballot agents and observers are unable to see how people have voted.

      Elections Scotland guidance acknowledges that there may be times when the front of the document becomes visible – but emphasises that “it is an offence for anyone attending the opening of postal votes to attempt to ascertain how any vote has been cast or to communicate any such information obtained”.

      It is not Ruth Davidson who has technically committed the offence but the agents who “communicated any such information obtained” at the postal vote openings to either campaign before the close of voting at 10pm.
      Ruth Davidson has let the cat out of the bag that the BT campaign had enough information from the postal votes to know how the vote was going, was it a game changer?

  14. There was also the issue of young first timer Scots voters having their ‘belligerent No Mums’ make sure wet behind the ears ‘Yes Scots progeny’ didn’t vote Yes by overseeing In Tower Hamlets famous fashion her Mothers eye and hand leading her voting brat here and indicating where they should inscribe an ‘X’.

  15. My understanding is that according to PPERA the referendum act that it is illegal for any party to publish anything that will effect the outcome of the referendum,starting 28 days prior to the end of the referendum ie the vow . I’m not a legal expert but that’s what the act states section 125 maybe someone with more legal awareness can comment?

  16. The case of Kerry McCarthy is I think very instructive. She’s a Labour MP who was cautioned by police after the last general election for publicly revealing the results of a sample of postal ballots prior to the election day. The issue was NOT the fact of a sample having been taken. The issue was that she posted the results on Twitter. In the absence of other evidence I am satisfied that this means all parties had access to samples of the postal ballots prior to the close of voting, and that therefore Davidson did not do anything wrong (unless the piece was transmitted before the close of poll – I think it might have gone out at 9:30?)

  17. The issue is they counted sample votes from the postal votes this is illegal it says so in the rules . Nobody is supposed to see them or be able to count them who ever did this and passed it on up the chain of command should all be investigated. The better together knew how the voting was leaning towards independence and its what prompted the vow. Which in my opinion was illegal I was under the impression that 28 days grace before polling day there were no more deals to be offered.

    • Where does it say so in the rules? No-one has been able to show this rule. The fact is, all parties have access to samples of the postal ballot in general elections, for reasons of transparency, so it seems very likely that they also had access to samples in the referendum.

      • Dave, the rules for the referendum are clearly spelled out in the act, which has nothing to do with the rules for any other election which is run under Westminster rules. Please go get the piece from the referendum act that shows that they were allowed access to the samples, otherwise your simply trying to derail the conversation by referring to other elections and processes which have nothing to do with this vote.

  18. As I alluded below. There is also the issue of young first timer Scots voters having their ‘No voting Mums’ make sure wet behind the ears ‘preferred Yes Scots progeny’ didn’t vote Yes. A Scots Labour high placed female admitted on her Twitter announcement that she had voted. And, that her so first time voting son was overseen by mum to sign (correctly) and to have posted his vote with mum to hand all the way.

  19. James, I’m not the one accusing someone of breaking the law. I’m just asking, show me the law. You ask me to show where in the Act is it specifically permitted to take samples of the postal ballots. I’ve looked. They are not mentioned at all. Neither permitted nor proscribed. I believe in the interests of decency you should be able to produce the law you say has been broken. Here’s a link to the offences section of the Act. Maybe I missed something. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2013/14/schedule/7/crossheading/requirement-of-secrecy

    I’m still looking online for anything documenting postal ballot sampling procedures or their illegality in the referendum. I’ll let you know if I come up with anything either way. Again, I’m interested in establishing the facts. Davidson clearly stated that postal ballots were sampled by the No campaign ahead of the election. I’d like to know if that’s allowed or not, and if it’s allowed, I’d like to know the regulations.

    By the by, John McTiernan clearly broke the law by talking about the results of samples several days ahead of the vote. He should be cautioned (like McCarthy) or even fined. Davidson seems to have done the same about 30 minutes ahead of the close of poll. That’s at least a technical offence. But the interesting question is whether the sampling itself was illegal. If it was, then you’re right, this is a huge story.

  20. OK, here’s a report from the Guardian on 19th September which quotes sources in both camps having access to postal vote samples – http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/19/scottish-independence-referendum-no-campaigners-buoyed-first-results-clackmannanshire-orkney

    “Sources in both the yes and no camps also confirmed that sampling of the 780,000 postal votes issued for the poll were two to one in favour of Better Together, with yes campaigners confirming they expected Edinburgh to vote no.”

    Also, it seems Davidson’s remarks were made 45 minutes after the polls closed.

    • the issue is not sampling of postal votes, it’s when it was done. At the count, after the vote has closed it is allowed (and indeed part of the process of assuring that the vote is correct). at the opening of the postal ballots it isn’t, all that is allowed is the checking of names and addresses on the outside of the envelope and watching as the ballots are taken out and bundled for counting later.

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